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	<title>Comments on: Minneapolis Bridge Collapse</title>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
		<link>http://amazinggreycity.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/minneapolis-bridge-collapse/#comment-1156</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I receive your point well, Christian. I did not express myself well; I was trying to explain my belief that God-in His sovereignty-uses everything that happens (tragedy as well as blessing) for His eternal purpose and His glory. I was trying to allude to the fact that everything is within the power of His will. You expressed it much more succinctly than I, for, as you say, some things He allows to happen; He wills to allow it to happen. Nothing happens that He has not allowed to happen; therefore, everything is within His will; not that everything IS His will. I&#039;ll probably never be able to explain it clearly enough. (Which is why I am a much better reader than a writer.) I thank God He has blessed others (like Piper) with the gift to write well and clearly. I&#039;ll shut up now. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I receive your point well, Christian. I did not express myself well; I was trying to explain my belief that God-in His sovereignty-uses everything that happens (tragedy as well as blessing) for His eternal purpose and His glory. I was trying to allude to the fact that everything is within the power of His will. You expressed it much more succinctly than I, for, as you say, some things He allows to happen; He wills to allow it to happen. Nothing happens that He has not allowed to happen; therefore, everything is within His will; not that everything IS His will. I&#8217;ll probably never be able to explain it clearly enough. (Which is why I am a much better reader than a writer.) I thank God He has blessed others (like Piper) with the gift to write well and clearly. I&#8217;ll shut up now. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
		<link>http://amazinggreycity.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/minneapolis-bridge-collapse/#comment-1151</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EVERYTHING that happens is not God&#039;s will.  He knows what is going to happen and He allows things to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EVERYTHING that happens is not God&#8217;s will.  He knows what is going to happen and He allows things to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
		<link>http://amazinggreycity.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/minneapolis-bridge-collapse/#comment-1146</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not believe-as some do-that God is like the ancient clockmaker, Who created the intricate mechanism, winds it up, then lets it go, ticking away of its own accord. God is in the details. The power of God INCLUDES the ticking of the clock, the breathing of the human, the very existence of every single thing in the universe, and beyond. Furthermore, God is Sovereign. People who do not understand the sovereignty of God cannot grasp that God has a Purpose for everyone and EVERY THING that happens. We do not know nor could ever know His reasons for why things (ie. tragedies) happen. Nevertheless, He has a Will, which determines a Purpose, which Governs every iota of experience. That is my understanding of the bridge collapse, anyway. When I get to heaven, I will (Praise the Lord!) enjoy a greater understanding of Why anything happens. In the meantime, I trust the Who that is making it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not believe-as some do-that God is like the ancient clockmaker, Who created the intricate mechanism, winds it up, then lets it go, ticking away of its own accord. God is in the details. The power of God INCLUDES the ticking of the clock, the breathing of the human, the very existence of every single thing in the universe, and beyond. Furthermore, God is Sovereign. People who do not understand the sovereignty of God cannot grasp that God has a Purpose for everyone and EVERY THING that happens. We do not know nor could ever know His reasons for why things (ie. tragedies) happen. Nevertheless, He has a Will, which determines a Purpose, which Governs every iota of experience. That is my understanding of the bridge collapse, anyway. When I get to heaven, I will (Praise the Lord!) enjoy a greater understanding of Why anything happens. In the meantime, I trust the Who that is making it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://amazinggreycity.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/minneapolis-bridge-collapse/#comment-1138</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Brother-

I have to moderately disagree with the &quot;piper&quot; on this one.  I&#039;d say that humans made the bridge (probably lowest bidder), human&#039;s didn&#039;t maintain it (city leaders stealing money and putting their kids through college), and human&#039;s decided to but millions of pounds of equipment on that old bridge (incompetence).  God didn&#039;t deem it or ordain it, humans created a set of circumstances, cause and effect. 

God has an ultimate plan but I think he leaves the details of something to cause and effect or choice....if not then it IS the MATRIX and there is no reason to ever try to influence your outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Brother-</p>
<p>I have to moderately disagree with the &#8220;piper&#8221; on this one.  I&#8217;d say that humans made the bridge (probably lowest bidder), human&#8217;s didn&#8217;t maintain it (city leaders stealing money and putting their kids through college), and human&#8217;s decided to but millions of pounds of equipment on that old bridge (incompetence).  God didn&#8217;t deem it or ordain it, humans created a set of circumstances, cause and effect. </p>
<p>God has an ultimate plan but I think he leaves the details of something to cause and effect or choice&#8230;.if not then it IS the MATRIX and there is no reason to ever try to influence your outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://amazinggreycity.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/minneapolis-bridge-collapse/#comment-1112</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristy,

Yes! It&#039;s like a school-yard bully saying to another child something akin to &quot;I&#039;ve always liked you. Be my friend or I&#039;ll break your legs.&quot; 

Boggles the mind, doesn&#039;t it? Religion is delusion on a massive scale!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristy,</p>
<p>Yes! It&#8217;s like a school-yard bully saying to another child something akin to &#8220;I&#8217;ve always liked you. Be my friend or I&#8217;ll break your legs.&#8221; </p>
<p>Boggles the mind, doesn&#8217;t it? Religion is delusion on a massive scale!</p>
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		<title>By: Kristy Weimer</title>
		<link>http://amazinggreycity.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/minneapolis-bridge-collapse/#comment-1098</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristy Weimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry but does anyone else see the irony in preaching about a God who loves us and indeed created us, but yet says we ALL deserve to die, then proceeds to produce random tragedies to bully us into &quot;submitting&quot; to his authority????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry but does anyone else see the irony in preaching about a God who loves us and indeed created us, but yet says we ALL deserve to die, then proceeds to produce random tragedies to bully us into &#8220;submitting&#8221; to his authority????</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.  Prayer   Lin</title>
		<link>http://amazinggreycity.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/minneapolis-bridge-collapse/#comment-1079</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.  Prayer   Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Baptist Christian  at  Taipei,  this message is come from Taiwan, my name is Mr. Prayer Lin (in Chinese : 林尤超) 
 
Many   many Taiwanese were feeling sorry about the collapse accident of bridge, and so am I.
 
Now I try to introduce you   a special method of praying which may let some prayers visualize Jesus &amp; the belived past relatives. 

 I developed it in Taipei&#039;s  biggest  Baptist  Church  &quot; White  N&quot; about 10 years ago,
 
because I was eager to see my late father again , who was a colonel of  Taiwan&#039;s Air Force, had learned 
 
piloting in  Texas  at  the War  II. 
 
During the past 10 years,  more than 15 children saw Jesus and got  His  teachings  in White-N church, and 
 
some of  them also saw their ancestors via the help of  Jesus.
  
I had been NYC for 50 days in 2004 fall , only to introduce this special method , I  hope  every  family  in the 
 
world,  if  who is  missing  their past families,  can see them again  by Closing- Eyes Praying.
 
 
------------------------Describing of this method of praying:---------------------------
 
First,  the whole family  had better  go into  a  big  church,   and  sit  down  inside,
 
then all  close eyes to recite The Lord&#039;s Prayer or sing a holy song such as 
 
&quot;The Silent Night&quot; or others  you are favorable  repeatedly about half or one hour, then some members
 
will watch bright colors or patterns appearing in their closed eyes, 
 
(Some people has  already &amp;  usually  seen  color  bright  or  patterns  when  closing  eyes  without  praying,  such  pupils  can  certainly  succeed to see  Spirits  after  a  short period of  praying.) 
 
go on this process, finally the brightness will become the figure of Jesus, 
 
or some Spirits , then the seer can talk to Him , also can pled Him to 
 
bring the deceased coming to meet , usually He agrees generously. 
 
The very point  is  that the seer&#039;s  eyes  must  be  closing, if  he want see  Spirits.  
 
(Hint：not everyone can visualize views  by  closing-eyes  praying  in a short time  period, and  don&#039;t  be  depressed,  Jesus will give steers  about  how much time of praying in order that you can see,  via your families (or  neighbors ) who  are successful seeing  Him. 
 
For any Q. or good result  plese email    to  me. 
 
my telephone Num in Taiwan is 886-2-8218-1450 ,
 
also you can use Skype to contact  me.
 
 my name is  Prayer Lin,   and  my job  belongs  to 
 
engineering of Taipei Subway System. I orinigal majored in mechanics &amp; aeronautics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Baptist Christian  at  Taipei,  this message is come from Taiwan, my name is Mr. Prayer Lin (in Chinese : 林尤超) </p>
<p>Many   many Taiwanese were feeling sorry about the collapse accident of bridge, and so am I.</p>
<p>Now I try to introduce you   a special method of praying which may let some prayers visualize Jesus &amp; the belived past relatives. </p>
<p> I developed it in Taipei&#8217;s  biggest  Baptist  Church  &#8221; White  N&#8221; about 10 years ago,</p>
<p>because I was eager to see my late father again , who was a colonel of  Taiwan&#8217;s Air Force, had learned </p>
<p>piloting in  Texas  at  the War  II. </p>
<p>During the past 10 years,  more than 15 children saw Jesus and got  His  teachings  in White-N church, and </p>
<p>some of  them also saw their ancestors via the help of  Jesus.</p>
<p>I had been NYC for 50 days in 2004 fall , only to introduce this special method , I  hope  every  family  in the </p>
<p>world,  if  who is  missing  their past families,  can see them again  by Closing- Eyes Praying.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;Describing of this method of praying:&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>First,  the whole family  had better  go into  a  big  church,   and  sit  down  inside,</p>
<p>then all  close eyes to recite The Lord&#8217;s Prayer or sing a holy song such as </p>
<p>&#8220;The Silent Night&#8221; or others  you are favorable  repeatedly about half or one hour, then some members</p>
<p>will watch bright colors or patterns appearing in their closed eyes, </p>
<p>(Some people has  already &amp;  usually  seen  color  bright  or  patterns  when  closing  eyes  without  praying,  such  pupils  can  certainly  succeed to see  Spirits  after  a  short period of  praying.) </p>
<p>go on this process, finally the brightness will become the figure of Jesus, </p>
<p>or some Spirits , then the seer can talk to Him , also can pled Him to </p>
<p>bring the deceased coming to meet , usually He agrees generously. </p>
<p>The very point  is  that the seer&#8217;s  eyes  must  be  closing, if  he want see  Spirits.  </p>
<p>(Hint：not everyone can visualize views  by  closing-eyes  praying  in a short time  period, and  don&#8217;t  be  depressed,  Jesus will give steers  about  how much time of praying in order that you can see,  via your families (or  neighbors ) who  are successful seeing  Him. </p>
<p>For any Q. or good result  plese email    to  me. </p>
<p>my telephone Num in Taiwan is 886-2-8218-1450 ,</p>
<p>also you can use Skype to contact  me.</p>
<p> my name is  Prayer Lin,   and  my job  belongs  to </p>
<p>engineering of Taipei Subway System. I orinigal majored in mechanics &amp; aeronautics.</p>
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		<title>By: clouded_perception</title>
		<link>http://amazinggreycity.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/minneapolis-bridge-collapse/#comment-1063</link>
		<dc:creator>clouded_perception</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pastor, you sicken and disgust me. I am almost brought to physical tears confronted by the knowledge that anybody exists with this horrible, twisted view of life. I once talked to someone with Stockholm syndrome and they sounded pretty much like you.

If I had a god, I would pray to it that you, and anybody who holds this view, was able to get help before spreading this debilitating view any further. I normally hesitate to use the word &#039;evil&#039; because it confuses religious people when I do, but I can&#039;t find a more appropriate term for the point of view you advocate.

Again, you sicken me. Good luck getting your head on straight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pastor, you sicken and disgust me. I am almost brought to physical tears confronted by the knowledge that anybody exists with this horrible, twisted view of life. I once talked to someone with Stockholm syndrome and they sounded pretty much like you.</p>
<p>If I had a god, I would pray to it that you, and anybody who holds this view, was able to get help before spreading this debilitating view any further. I normally hesitate to use the word &#8216;evil&#8217; because it confuses religious people when I do, but I can&#8217;t find a more appropriate term for the point of view you advocate.</p>
<p>Again, you sicken me. Good luck getting your head on straight.</p>
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		<title>By: Dog Boots</title>
		<link>http://amazinggreycity.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/minneapolis-bridge-collapse/#comment-1062</link>
		<dc:creator>Dog Boots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just horrible and it makes me incredibly sad. All the lives that have been touched by this great tragedy. I am of course referring to the child abuse that millions of children, not least in the US, are going through as we speak, of which Talitha is a prime example. The collapse was an accident, and these things happen. In fact, in recent times we have gotten better at avoiding accidents, we just hear more of them due to the increased media coverage over the last couple of millenia.  Your God-theory doesn&#039;t work and it is pulled from your backsides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just horrible and it makes me incredibly sad. All the lives that have been touched by this great tragedy. I am of course referring to the child abuse that millions of children, not least in the US, are going through as we speak, of which Talitha is a prime example. The collapse was an accident, and these things happen. In fact, in recent times we have gotten better at avoiding accidents, we just hear more of them due to the increased media coverage over the last couple of millenia.  Your God-theory doesn&#8217;t work and it is pulled from your backsides.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://amazinggreycity.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/minneapolis-bridge-collapse/#comment-1061</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 06:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen brother. Walking with Christ is just about the only thing one can do in a situation like this. Trusting his worthy guiding hand. A friend who was at the scene did just that and described it in his blog: http://www.skifactz.com/bridge/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen brother. Walking with Christ is just about the only thing one can do in a situation like this. Trusting his worthy guiding hand. A friend who was at the scene did just that and described it in his blog: <a href="http://www.skifactz.com/bridge/" rel="nofollow">http://www.skifactz.com/bridge/</a></p>
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		<title>By: CygnusX1</title>
		<link>http://amazinggreycity.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/minneapolis-bridge-collapse/#comment-1060</link>
		<dc:creator>CygnusX1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 04:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke 13:4-5 ‘Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them - do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.’

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I find no solace in those words. The only thing that I see in those words is the usage of a tragedy to coerce the meek and to cull the weak into your destructive train of thought. This event should not be used as a recruiting tactic or should it be approached as such.

My heart goes out to the fallen, not because of some religious dictation, but because I can empathize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke 13:4-5 ‘Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them &#8211; do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.’</p>
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<p>I find no solace in those words. The only thing that I see in those words is the usage of a tragedy to coerce the meek and to cull the weak into your destructive train of thought. This event should not be used as a recruiting tactic or should it be approached as such.</p>
<p>My heart goes out to the fallen, not because of some religious dictation, but because I can empathize.</p>
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		<title>By: God</title>
		<link>http://amazinggreycity.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/minneapolis-bridge-collapse/#comment-1058</link>
		<dc:creator>God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 02:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goddamnit, they&#039;re onto me.</description>
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		<title>By: SGP</title>
		<link>http://amazinggreycity.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/minneapolis-bridge-collapse/#comment-1057</link>
		<dc:creator>SGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 01:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do people &#039;deserve to die&#039;? We didn&#039;t ask to be born. The idea that death is a form of righteous punishment is horrific. What kind of creator brings people into existence and then permits them to be damned from the moment they are born?

And to say that God committed this act so that people might fear him. Do you realise the callousness of your words? You are suggesting that the people whose lives ended in fear and pain were merely pawns in a divine publicity stunt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do people &#8216;deserve to die&#8217;? We didn&#8217;t ask to be born. The idea that death is a form of righteous punishment is horrific. What kind of creator brings people into existence and then permits them to be damned from the moment they are born?</p>
<p>And to say that God committed this act so that people might fear him. Do you realise the callousness of your words? You are suggesting that the people whose lives ended in fear and pain were merely pawns in a divine publicity stunt.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://amazinggreycity.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/minneapolis-bridge-collapse/#comment-1055</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bridge collapsed due to a structural deficiency.  Tragic, yes!  Not a divine message.</description>
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